Mashing --> single-step vs multi-step
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Mashing --> single-step vs multi-step
Just upgraded my mash tun from the gatorade cooler to a keggle. This paves the way to do easier multi-step mashes. Not having done a multi-step mash...do most folks do multi-step mashes if they have the capability to? Wondering if it's worth the extra effort?
Next Brew: IIPA 3.6, SIPA 1.7, Choc Stout 3.4 - Sep 9
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On Tap: IPA 2.8, Matilda Clone 1.1, Choc Stout 3.3, Soda Water
Cheers, Matt Parker
Fermenting: Barley Wine 1.2
Conditioning: 1Red Rye Ale, Berliner Weisse 1.1, SIPA 1.6
On Tap: IPA 2.8, Matilda Clone 1.1, Choc Stout 3.3, Soda Water
Cheers, Matt Parker
Re: Mashing --> single-step vs multi-step
I don't have heat in my mash tun, so only do single step, typically, and "mash out" in the kettle.
Others should comment, but my impression is with modern malting techniques, if your grain bill has enough base malt (and time) to convert any specialty grains, its not needed, but can give you more control: increase or decrease in head retention (protein rest), for example; or possibly a drier beer with a two step saccharification rest. Adjusting your grain bill will influence these things if you don't step mash.
It'd be another set of factors you can control (or worry about).
jim
Others should comment, but my impression is with modern malting techniques, if your grain bill has enough base malt (and time) to convert any specialty grains, its not needed, but can give you more control: increase or decrease in head retention (protein rest), for example; or possibly a drier beer with a two step saccharification rest. Adjusting your grain bill will influence these things if you don't step mash.
It'd be another set of factors you can control (or worry about).
jim
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Re: Mashing --> single-step vs multi-step
I have a very nice HERMS set up....and don't even use it. I tend to brew just about more lager than anyone I know in LBG sans Jim McGovern (if I'm overlooking somebody, sorry). Hence my current on tap:
Primary: empty
Secondary: Schwarzbier
On tap: Maerzen, Czech Pils
We use a cooler mash tun which is why I procurred a HERMS for step mashing. For us, it is a PITA. Inevitably we get a stuck sparge because the pump creates too much of a draw on the grain bed.
Some people state that with today's malt technology, step mashing is not needed. I'm not so sure I agree. If we want to really make an authentic malty lager, we do a true decoction. I think it is more rewarding too.
Primary: empty
Secondary: Schwarzbier
On tap: Maerzen, Czech Pils
We use a cooler mash tun which is why I procurred a HERMS for step mashing. For us, it is a PITA. Inevitably we get a stuck sparge because the pump creates too much of a draw on the grain bed.
Some people state that with today's malt technology, step mashing is not needed. I'm not so sure I agree. If we want to really make an authentic malty lager, we do a true decoction. I think it is more rewarding too.
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Re: Mashing --> single-step vs multi-step
Rob, I primarily only brew lagers also! lmao! And I only do single step mashes as I currently still using a cooler and batch sparging. I do mash for 90 minutes no matter what I'm making to insure I get close to full conversion as possible.
Jared Rudy
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Primary: Oktoberfest-Marzen
Kegged/Ageing: Russian Imperial Stout, Oktoberfest-Marzen
Next Brew: Vienna Lager or an IPA
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On Tap: Irish Red Ale, Vienna Lager, American Wheat, Belgian Triple, Oatmeal Stout, Saison, Hard Cider
Primary: Oktoberfest-Marzen
Kegged/Ageing: Russian Imperial Stout, Oktoberfest-Marzen
Next Brew: Vienna Lager or an IPA
Re: Mashing --> single-step vs multi-step
I don't do too many lagers anymore, too busy brewing IPA's for Jody!Rob Martin wrote:I have a very nice HERMS set up....and don't even use it. I tend to brew just about more lager than anyone I know in LBG sans Jim McGovern (if I'm overlooking somebody, sorry).
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Re: Mashing --> single-step vs multi-step
Haven't tried a lager yet, although it's on my list for next winter. I go for a lot of IPA, Ale, Stout type styles. I also want to start including more wheat and a little rye into my recipies.
Been using gravity for my lautering out of the cooler mash tun. I haven't splurged for the pump yet, so I'll give gravity a try the first time or two with the keggle. I have an awesome terrace off my back patio to get a good head differential. No stuck sparges yet...
Been using gravity for my lautering out of the cooler mash tun. I haven't splurged for the pump yet, so I'll give gravity a try the first time or two with the keggle. I have an awesome terrace off my back patio to get a good head differential. No stuck sparges yet...
Next Brew: IIPA 3.6, SIPA 1.7, Choc Stout 3.4 - Sep 9
Fermenting: Barley Wine 1.2
Conditioning: 1Red Rye Ale, Berliner Weisse 1.1, SIPA 1.6
On Tap: IPA 2.8, Matilda Clone 1.1, Choc Stout 3.3, Soda Water
Cheers, Matt Parker
Fermenting: Barley Wine 1.2
Conditioning: 1Red Rye Ale, Berliner Weisse 1.1, SIPA 1.6
On Tap: IPA 2.8, Matilda Clone 1.1, Choc Stout 3.3, Soda Water
Cheers, Matt Parker
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Re: Mashing --> single-step vs multi-step
With these types of beers, and with the quality of modified malts, IMO, multi-step mashing would be a waste of time and effort.ParkerBrew wrote:Haven't tried a lager yet, although it's on my list for next winter. I go for a lot of IPA, Ale, Stout type styles. I also want to start including more wheat and a little rye into my recipies.
Been using gravity for my lautering out of the cooler mash tun. I haven't splurged for the pump yet, so I'll give gravity a try the first time or two with the keggle. I have an awesome terrace off my back patio to get a good head differential. No stuck sparges yet...
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Re: Mashing --> single-step vs multi-step
Thanks for the input everybody. So far it seems that single step is the popular way to go.
Next Brew: IIPA 3.6, SIPA 1.7, Choc Stout 3.4 - Sep 9
Fermenting: Barley Wine 1.2
Conditioning: 1Red Rye Ale, Berliner Weisse 1.1, SIPA 1.6
On Tap: IPA 2.8, Matilda Clone 1.1, Choc Stout 3.3, Soda Water
Cheers, Matt Parker
Fermenting: Barley Wine 1.2
Conditioning: 1Red Rye Ale, Berliner Weisse 1.1, SIPA 1.6
On Tap: IPA 2.8, Matilda Clone 1.1, Choc Stout 3.3, Soda Water
Cheers, Matt Parker