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lager question

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:19 am
by jeffvineyard
My lagering "cellar" got unplugged this week and my batch got to who knows what temp. What will this do to flavor?

Re: lager question

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:02 pm
by meisel
Depends on the stage of fermentation when the temp began to ramp upward. If two-thirds of the fermentables were already consumed, it will have less of an affect than if only a third of fermentables were consumed. More yeast activity/reproduction at higher temps will mean more esters and fusel by-products. It will likely be drinkable, but may lack the typical crisp, clean lager flavor you are looking for.

Re: lager question

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:43 pm
by Jensen
meisel wrote:Depends on the stage of fermentation when the temp began to ramp upward. If two-thirds of the fermentables were already consumed, it will have less of an affect than if only a third of fermentables were consumed. More yeast activity/reproduction at higher temps will mean more esters and fusel by-products. It will likely be drinkable, but may lack the typical crisp, clean lager flavor you are looking for.

ditto.

As long as the majority of early fermentation was completed at lower temps things are quite salvageable. An early stage diacetyl rest is what happened hopefully. If you can, put it to bed at colder temps for a few weeks, take a sample and see where the beer is at. Might not be the target you were looking for as meisel said, but i bet a good drinking beer none the less.

Re: lager question

Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:40 am
by Baron Ken
jeffvineyard wrote:... What will this do to flavor?
Make it incredibly great tasting and near impossible to duplicate! :P

Re: lager question

Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:05 pm
by jeffvineyard
Thanks for the info guys. One great thing about this club is the excellent knowledge base. This is the reason I drive to lawrence for meetings.

Re: lager question

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:04 pm
by jeffvineyard
I tried my batch today and picked up heavy notes of fusels. What happened? Oh well try,try,try again.

Re: lager question

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:11 pm
by Jensen
jeffvineyard wrote:My lagering "cellar" got unplugged this week and my batch got to who knows what temp.


Well, guess we now know those temps were probably a bit too high... I wouldn't give up on a batch just yet, unless it was outright infected... time and\or blending sometimes heals deep wounds. If keg space isn't a problem I'd let it ride out a cold lagering faze for another few weeks then cold store in a keg for a while... take good notes on perceptions and time lines of this beer... could be helpful down the road.

Re: lager question

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:16 am
by meisel
meisel wrote:More yeast activity/reproduction at higher temps will mean more esters and fusel by-products.
this

Re: lager question

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:31 am
by jeffvineyard
Jensen mentioned that time will help.I have noticed this with some of my ales, especially my imperial coffee stout. What is the process by which this happens? Does the yeast metabolize the higher alcohols even without the presence of O2?