Jamil Evil Twin - ever brewed?

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klickcue · #1 Post by **klickcue** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:54 pm

Have any of you brewed Jamil's Evil Twin?
http://www.mrmalty.com/late_hopping.htm

I have mine in the keggle tonight with 2 volumes of CO2. To me, it is like a Sierra Nevada on steroids. The citrus (grapefruit) is over the top. I like grapefruit, so it suits me fine.

After 1 pint, I am already starting to sweat and warm all over. It went a little high on ABV but still tasty.

Not cheap at $43 per 5 gallons but would make a horror movie funny!

Even with the high alcohol, I can't taste it. The citrus note comes through too strong so it sneaks up on you. A month or more of aging should make a big difference if it lasts that long.

Late hopping is a blast.

My wife does not care for it

, since she doesn't like grapefruit.

Jamil Evil Twin
Brew Type: All Grain Date: 9/6/2008
Style: American IPA Brewer: Chris
Batch Size: 6.00 gal
Boil Volume: 7.00 gal Boil Time: 90 min
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00 % Equipment: Brew Pot (8.0 gal) and Igloo Cooler (10 Gal) - Chris
Actual Efficiency: 82.73 %
Taste Rating (50 possible points): 35.0

Ingredients Amount Item Type % or IBU
12 lbs Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) Grain 78.69 %
1 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 6.56 %
1 lbs Munich Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 6.56 %
8.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt -120L (120.0 SRM) Grain 3.28 %
8.0 oz Victory Malt (25.0 SRM) Grain 3.28 %
4.0 oz Chocolate Pale Malt (200.0 SRM) Grain 1.64 %
0.60 oz Centennial [9.10 %] (20 min) Hops 6.6 IBU
0.50 oz Amarillo Gold [8.00 %] (20 min) Hops 4.9 IBU
1.00 oz Centennial [9.10 %] (10 min) Hops 6.6 IBU
1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [8.00 %] (10 min) Hops 5.8 IBU
1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [8.00 %] (0 min) Hops -
1.00 oz Centennial [9.10 %] (0 min) Hops -
1 Pkgs California Ale (White Labs #WLP001) Yeast-Ale

Beer Profile Estimated Original Gravity: 1.066 SG (1.056-1.075 SG) Measured Original Gravity: 1.078 SG
Estimated Final Gravity: 1.015 SG (1.010-1.018 SG) Measured Final Gravity: 1.004 SG
Estimated Color: 17.0 SRM (6.0-15.0 SRM) Color [Color]
Bitterness: 23.9 IBU (40.0-70.0 IBU) Alpha Acid Units: 9.5 AAU
Estimated Alcohol by Volume: 6.69 % (5.50-7.50 %) Actual Alcohol by Volume: 9.68 %
Actual Calories: 348 cal/pint

Mash Profile Name: Single Infusion, Full Body, Batch Sparge Mash Tun Weight: 9.00 lb
Mash Grain Weight: 15.25 lb Mash PH: 5.4 PH
Grain Temperature: 72.0 F Sparge Temperature: 168.0 F
Sparge Water: 4.12 gal Adjust Temp for Equipment: FALSE

Name Description Step Temp Step Time
Mash In Add 19.83 qt of water at 162.1 F 151.0 F 60 min

Mash Notes
Simple single infusion mash for use with most modern well modified grains (about 95% of the time).
Carbonation and Storage Carbonation Type: Kegged (Forced CO2) Carbonation Volumes: 2.0 (2.2-2.7 vols)
Estimated Pressure: 11.3 PSI Kegging Temperature: 50.0 F
Pressure Used: - Age for: 3.0 Weeks
Storage Temperature: 50.0 F

Notes
Keggle 10-10-2008 2.0 volumes

Blktre · #2 Post by **Blktre** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:13 pm

I have numourous hopbursting recipes i do. The Cent/Amarillo combo is a good one. I do one similiar to this hop schedule. Your right, hopbursted beers needs some aging. Its one of my favorite things to do when thinking of IpA's. But as you noted, the price of hops for these recipes are crazy. So because of that, ive gone back to your more typical usage of hops including FWH and dryhopping to get close to the same effect as hopbursting with fewer hops....

If your up to it, id like to trade a beer for yours?

klickcue · #3 Post by **klickcue** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:42 pm

That would be great. Let it get some age on it and mellow out.

How about in a couple of weeks?

Normally, I brew in the $25 - $32 range but I had to give this brew a go.

Bill · #4 Post by **Bill** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:47 pm

That recipe looks great Chris! Is that your 82.73 % efficiency or the recipes?

klickcue · #5 Post by **klickcue** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:46 am

Hi Bill,

I need to work more with the efficiency that Beer Smith projects since there seems to be an error between the estimated and my SGs.

I am sure that Jamil did a better job of brewing the recipe than I did. I would venture that 80 percent of the people that have tried it, don't care for the beer since it is out of their taste region. But I like it and that is what counts.

The beer is a little bit too much as 1 pint is plenty. The hops come on strong and the alcohol is hidden.

If you get over this way, stop by.

Blktre · #6 Post by **Blktre** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:29 am

You can always knock the BU:GU down and make more of a session beer with this recipe easily. You will still get that awesome hop flavor but can drink a few.

klickcue · #7 Post by **klickcue** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:45 pm

I may try knocking it down to a lower SG next time. It was a 1.5 hour boil that was brought back to 6 gallons at the last 15 minutes of the boil.

I can wait for it to mellow a little bit more though, but a pint will still give you a warm feeling

I have a Irish Red Ale with Pale Chocolate, some Pale Ale and some California Common plus some Irish Red Ale with Black Patent to keep me company for a while.

There is a Irish Red Ale with Black Patent that needs to go into a keggle and an Oktoberfest Lager that needs to be brought back to room temperature before long.

I did a California Common back in June that was dropped to 4.5 ABV that was good for a night's worth of entertainment. So, your suggestion is a wise one.

I will pull you a growler in a couple of weeks, but you have to promise to only try it on a Friday or the weekend!

Blktre · #8 Post by **Blktre** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:52 pm

You don't need to pull a growler, id just be happy sharing a bottle w/ya!

Nice lineup btw!!

klickcue · #9 Post by **klickcue** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:49 pm

Not a problem. Maybe Bill is up to it also.

Bill might remember that I used to really enjoy my brew. Not much anymore since I have cut back but still enjoy a pint or two! (maybe 3).

klickcue · #10 Post by **klickcue** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:59 pm

Bill,

Knowing that the efficiency numbers have been high in Beer Smith but brewing by recipe and not by working up a recipe, I think I have discovered the difference.

I pulled my brewing sheets as stained as they are and looked at the numbers. Having recorded the pre-boil gravity and corrected to 60 degrees F, the number was plugged into Beer Smith. Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00 % Equipment: Brew Pot (8.0 gal) and Igloo Cooler (10 Gal) - Chris
Actual Efficiency: 65.76 % .

The 65.76% looks better and closer to the real thing since it is an all grain recipe with a bulk sparge. With a 10 minute rest at 168 degrees F.

Starting gravity corrected to 60 degrees F = 1.062 SG - 7 gallon
After boil SG = 1.078 SG - topped off to 6.5 gallon
Final SG = 1.004 SG

I don't think the numbers are too bad considering that it is my home made knurled 1.5 inch steel roller mill but it looks like I might want to adjust them in a little bit and get a little finer mill.

Though it was not posted in the original post, the yeast was 50-50 WLP001 and Sierra Nevada Pale Ale cloned yeast.

Though it is inferred as far as I can find on the web that SN and WLP001 are supposed to be the same yeast, SN reacts differently than WLP001 in the fermenter at 65 degrees F.

The Evil Twin is starting to settle down and is becoming more tasty by the day.

Sorry for the confusion.

Blktre · #11 Post by **Blktre** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:59 pm

FG: 1.004? What did you mash at? This is low for this beer. How are you reading your samples?

klickcue · #12 Post by **klickcue** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:23 pm

Pretty interesting since it caught me off guard (where is the 10).

The Lauder/Tun was preheated with boiling water.

The mash started out at 155 degrees and stirred ever 1/2 hour during the 90 minutes and coasted down on temperature.

The pre-boil gravity was close at 1.062 SG compared to the projected 1.057 SG calculated.

The after boil (6 gallon) was high 1.078 SG compared to the projected 1.066 SG.

I will have to try this brew again after the keggle is dry but may wait until 2008 hops are available since there is $21 worth of hops in this recipe.

The point that I didn't note but may be an interest in the future is where the final gravity was also taken. I don't remember whether it was from the top of the carboy or from the keggle.

It is very tasty.